Sadhguru Isha 2019-09-20

During a conversation with Ruskin Bond at the Dehradun Lit Fest, Sadhguru and the beloved author reminisce about their youth, and their connections to the mountains that played a formative role in each of their lives. 
在与Rukskin Bond(译者注:拉斯金·邦德是当今印度文坛最活跃和最著名的英语作家之一)的对话中,Sadhguru和这位受爱戴的作家回忆了他们的青年时代、他们与山的连接,以及这种连接如何在各自的生命中起到了塑造性的作用。 

Sadhguru: Right from my infancy, I had an image of a mountain peak in my mind. Eyes open or eyes closed, it was always there. Till I was sixteen years of age, I thought there were mountain peaks in everyone’s eyes. It was only when I was sixteen that I spoke to some of my friends, and they thought I was crazy. That is when my search for that particular peak that I was seeing started.I am not a fan of mountains, I am a slave of mountains. There is no way I can exist without them.

I trekked for months on end in the Karnataka and Kerala part of the Western Ghats. Later on, I motorcycled from Karwar to Kanyakumari eleven times looking at every peak possible. When I did not find it, I started coming to the Himalayas when I was nineteen. But the moment I saw these mountains, I knew this is not where it is because the nature of what I was seeing was different. 

It was only many years later that I saw the mountain in southern India for the first time, and that is where the Isha Yoga Center is today. So, I am not a fan of mountains, I am a slave of mountains. There is no way I can exist without them.
Ruskin Bond: Well, we are both slaves to mountains. Whenever I go away, even if it is for just a week, I feel the pull. I am always wanting to come back because once the mountains get into your blood, they do not get out again. 
Ruskin Bond:嗯,我们俩都是山的奴隶。每次我离开(山)时,即使只是一周,我都能感觉到有股力牵引着我。我一直想要回去,因为一旦山进入你的血液里,它们就再也不会离开了。

My great-grandsons at home, they knew about Sadhguru long before I did. I thought, these two boys are not very spiritual, so what is it about him that attracts them? And they said, “Well, he rides a motorcycle.”  So, perhaps you can tell us about your motorcycle days.

Sadhguru: Some time ago, someone told me that the Czech motorcycle, Jawa, will once again be coming to India. I used the Jawa motorcycle like nobody at one time. Every year, I did something like 55 to 60,000 kilometers. I literally lived on a motorcycle for almost seven years. 

I crisscrossed India, not going anywhere in particular. I just loved to see the terrain. For me, everything runs in pictures – I never learnt to think in words. I am that rudimentary! So I just loved to see the terrain, every bit of the landscape. 

A few years ago, I came to this part of the Himalayas again, and I was driving. Someone gave me a very fast car, and I was hitting 150, 160 kilometers an hour on the mountains. People said, “Sadhguru, you will kill yourself.” I told them, “Every bend on these roads is there in my mind.” I can literally drive with my eyes closed. 
几年前,我再次来到了喜马拉雅的这一片区域,开着车。有人给了我一辆非常快的车,我在山上的车速达到每小时150-160公里。他们说:“Sadhguru,你简直不要命啊。”我告诉他们:“这条山路上的每一个拐弯都已在我脑中了。” 我真的可以闭着眼睛开车了。

These travels were probably the richest part of my life because I travelled without purpose. Whatever I read, I also read without purpose. When I was growing up, I sold my textbooks to buy my favorite novels, and I never had my textbooks before the exams came! This is the wrong thing to say when there are so many children here!

Ruskin Bond: Well, when I grew up in Dehradun, it was the bicycle age. Every young man and boy had a bicycle. You saw very few cars then, and not many motorcycles either, but all of us got around on bicycles. I was frequently falling off, which turned me into a walker. I used to walk all over the town, and I knew every road and lane. Because of this, they used to call me “road inspector”. Those were the bicycle days. 
Ruskin Bond:我在Dehradun长大,那是自行车的年代。每一个年轻人、每一个男孩都拥有一辆自行车。那时候很少有汽车,也没什么摩托车,但我们每个人都骑自行车。我经常摔倒,这让我成了一位步行者。我曾步行穿过整个小镇,我熟知镇里的每一条大街小巷。因为这点,他们一度叫我“马路巡视员”。那是自行车的年代。

You do not see any bicycles around now. Children today are growing up in a technological age with many distractions. People say they do not read, but I still meet a lot of young people who do read, and a lot of young people who write too. 

Sadhguru: Technology is not a bad thing. Unfortunately, people are going about talking as if technology is damaging our lives. Irresponsible usage of anything will damage our lives, not just technology. During your days and mine, as children we were physically far more active. We could eat as much as we wanted and we were still scrawny, always. There was no chance of a growing boy or girl putting on weight because there was so much activity. 

I think one major missing link in the child’s growth today is there is not much connection with all the other life around us – plant life, animal life, insect life, reptile life, every other kind of life. There is no connection. Simply growing up thinking everything is about you is not a good thing for a human being. 

Unfortunately, such ideas have been put into people’s minds through religious doctrines saying that human beings were made in God’s own image, and every other life is here only to serve us. This is the most disastrous idea that has gotten across to the human mind. 

I have spent so much time in the jungles, sometimes weeks on end by myself, surviving without any outside support. Every creature – ants, insects, animals, birds – has a complete life of its own. I do not know what they think about us though.

Ruskin Bond: Well, I think perhaps young people today do not get enough of the open spaces that are around us.
Ruskin Bond:嗯,我想可能今天的年轻人都没有足够机会去接触室外的空间。

Sadhguru: There is no exposure to other life, no contact with nature. What is there is very superficial contact. The schools must take care and make sure children have a connection with nature. This is not about environmental consciousness. For your humanity to evolve, it is very important that you see every other life as a life that has a right to live on this planet. They have been here longer than us!






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